Chinese built turbofan and turbojet engines

WP-5 Built at the Liming Engine Manufacturing Corporation aka Shenyang Aero-Engine Factory. [5]



WP-5D   Produced by Xi'an (XAE)


WP-6 A copy of the Soviet Tumansky R-9BF-811 jet engine

    
Shenyang WP-7 Originally a Chinese copy of the Soviet Tumansky R-11-300 afterburning turbojet. Many upgrades and new variants have been developed from the basic engine.

WP-13A-II  Produced by Liming Aircraft Engine Company

Xian Qinling-2  Improved version of the WS-9

Shenyang WP-14 Kunlun  indigenous Chinese turbojet engine produced by Shenyang.[7]

Shenyang WS-10A Taihang      Indigenous T/W: 7.5 replacement for AL-31 and AL-31F

WS-12B Taishan  Heavier, improved WS-12

Guizhou WS-13 Taishan  Indigenous T/W: 7.8 upgrade for RD-93

Shenyang WS-15      Described by Russian sources as the "18-ton" thrust, T/W: 9-10 project possibly used to power new J-XX fighters.[13]

 There is a huge list of turbojet and turbofan engines that were produced by China that were basically knockoffs of Soviet counterparts and domestically designed engines that were produced in China. Japan does not have a history of producing aircraft engines whether they be knockoffs or indigenous. 

 Japan and israel are in the exact same boat. None of these countries even manufacture and deploy domestic aircrafts or aircraft engines. The entire israeli airfleet is just american aircrafts with israeli names attached to them.

Israeli Air Force

Aircraft	Origin	Type	Versions	In service (Aviationweek)	In service (INSS / IISS)	In service (Flightglobal)
Fighter aircraft
Boeing F-15 Eagle	United States	air superiority fighter	F-15A "Baz"	20[29]	27[30]	} 42[31]
			F-15C "Baz"	11[29]	17[30]
			F-15B "Baz"	6[29]	7[30]	} 16[31]
			F-15D "Baz"	6[29]	11[30]
Boeing F-15E Strike Eagle	United States	strike fighter	F-15I "Ra'am"	25[29]	25[30]	25[31]
General Dynamics F-16 Fighting Falcon	United States	mulitirole fighter	F-16A "Netz"	59[29]	90[30]	} 149[31]
			F-16B "Netz"	14[29]	16[30]
			F-16D "Barak"	48[29]	49[30]
			F-16C "Barak"	78[29]	52[30]	76[31]
			F-16I "Sufa"	87[29]	101[32]	100[31]

 The netz, the barak, the sufa, the raam, the baz. They are just f16s and f15s.

  Of course its going to be difficult for Japan. First, they have to develop a domestically designed airframe, and then they have to manufacture a domestically designed turbofan engine. Both of which they have little experience in doing. In then end, they are still going to have to use a foreign engine to power their airframe. And use foreign weapon systems and avionics as well. Alecto, you need to try to stop insulting people with your stupidity and recognize that you are simply wrong. The idea that Japan can just produce a stealth airframe and a domestic turbofan to compliment is just not going to happen. Not anymore likely that israel will ever have an actual israeli airforce. In both cases of israel and Japan, their airforce's are so foreign, they might as well just rename their airforces' usaf. Without american airframes and american propulsion systems, israel would return to the bronze age. Japan would be installing propellers on f16s.

China and Japan just are not equals in military aviation

  China has a rich and deep history of military aviation projects. From the Soviet Mig knockoffs to the current indigenous aircrafts of today. Chinese have manufactured J6s J7s and J11s which are Soviet designed military aircrafts. Domestically, China has designed and manufactured Q5s, J8s, JH7As, J10s, and J20s. So there is a rich history of design theory and aviation manufacturing. Japan's airforce simply consists of f16s and f15s. Which are both american designed and manufactured aircrafts. The f2 which is the closest thing Japan has to an indigenous aircraft is 50 percent made and designed in the united states. Its turbofan engine is also designed and made in the us. The two simply are not equals.

  Yes, Japan does have a rich commercial and consumer friendly industry. But that has little to do with military aviation. Otherwise, the two family cars I drive would be a Volga and a GM. Instead, the only two cars I have ever owned were both Toyotas. A Previa and a Camry.

  With the J20, China has already caught up. The only fighter aircraft the us could hide behind was the f22 under the claim of stealth. Well, China has stealth too.

  Japan is no slouch, China looks to Japan in regards to bullet train technology, automobiles, and consumer electronics. But it doesnt look to Japan in regards to military aviation and weapon systems. That would be a step backwards. Claiming Japan will be able to the same in some future uncertain date is not the same as saying Japan will catch up to China. By then, China would have already moved on to something else. Tactical nuclear warheads being dropped from stealth satellites in outer space.

What a ridiculous statement by Jasmine supporters

  China isnt the second largest economy in the world. Its the world's largest economy. And there isnt backward mobility so people dont perceive de-evolution. People are not losing something that they previously had, they are gaining something they didnt previously have. If they working to produce a good or service that they themselves are not consuming, then they are only made worse off from the activity. However, if they are working to produce a good or service that they themselves are consuming, then they are made better off from the activity. If they are not working to produce a good or service that they are consuming, they are double better off from the activity. China is the best fed country in Asia. No country in Asia eats more meat per capita and has more obese children than the Chinese. Which is also why Japan and Korea imports their food from China.

  In any case, its not as if producing goods for the rest of the world improves your standard of living. When the world is your vassal and they send tribute to you every year. That is what improves your standard of living. 

Nukes are designed to be used, thats why you have them

  Whether the first shot is tactical or apocalyptic. The idea is to use them in a military confrontation. In a battle between two men, someone will eventually draw their sword. A conventional option was never really an option. The J20, J11, J10 none of them can even reach the united states. They would all crash into the Pacific on its way there. Its just an aircraft, it will never make it. The only thing that can reach the united states are ballistic missiles, fired over the arctic. Even if it started out as a conventional fight, you have to be wary of the idea that your opponent will eventually try to draw something lethal.

Regional Power would be short sighted

  From the naval deployments to Libya and Somalia, to the ICBMs that point all over the world. Regional would be too small a playing field. All China needed was a proper excuse. Whether it be piracy or vacating refugees.

Rule of law is the most basic element of any society. China doesnt need rule of law. It already has it.

  Legalism is a Chinese philosophy that doesnt actually deal with philosophical issues like humanity, religion, or mythology. It deals with only one issue. And that is the law.

Right, for 5000 yrs. There was no law in China. Murder was no crime. It was just a random activity accepted by state and society. Kind of ironic for a country that was governed by Legalists.

; pinyin: Fǎjiā; Wade–Giles: Fa-chia; literally "School of law") was one of the main philosophic currents during the Warring States Period (and before), although the term itself was invented in the Han dynasty and thus does not refer to an organized 'school' of thought. Legalism was a utilitarian political philosophy that did not address higher questions like the nature and purpose of life.[1] The school's most famous proponent and contributor Han Fei Zi (n) believed that a ruler should use the following three tools to govern his subjects:ǎ; literally "law or principle"): The law code must be clearly written and made public. All people under the ruler were equal before the law. Laws should reward those who obey them and punish accordingly those who dare to break them. Thus it is guaranteed that actions taken are systematically predictable. In addition, the system of law ran the state, not the ruler, a statement of rule of law. If the law is successfully enforced, even a weak ruler will be strong.

In Chinese history, Legalism (Chinese:

* Fa (Chinese: ; pinyin: f

Legalism is a Chinese philosophy that doesnt actually deal with philosophical issues like humanity, religion, or mythology. It deals with only one issue. And that is the law.

When the same effort is not given to military spending, that is just complacency

  While social and infrastructure spending is great. And having between 6000 and 10,000 km worth of speed rail sets a global record. The fact that the same kind of pursuance for excellence is not applied to SSBNs and ICBMs is just plain complacency. The Middle East is often governed by complacent rulers. They are simply satisfied with being the world's largest oil exporters much like China aims for the title of worlds largest exporter of consumer products. But OPEC nations lack self reliance outside energy. Which explains why so many of them are occupied by foreign militaries. If the united states drums up an internal rebellion inside the Middle East? What could they possibly do? The most they could hope for is a terrorist attack against the united states. Which is a feasible option. But would it not have been better to have been able to meet them on the field like back during the days of Jihad? Bullet trains, oceanic bridges, underground tunnels? Only if they are hiding nukes.